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analander (145 posts) Click to EMail analander Click to send private message to analander Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-20-00, 06:48 PM (Pacific)
"Impressions of Grimoire"
Hi all,

Well I finally decided to see what all the fuss was about with this Grimoire thing. After a few searches which pulled up a bunch of wicca stuff I found the official game site at: http://grimoire.blinkingdot.com/.

My first reaction is that it reminds me very much of a work experience I’ve had. I worked for a map-making company that was one tier down from the name brands like Rand McNally and ADC – it’s a local family-run business that’s low on their overhead. Our quality assurance and overall production costs were a fraction of the corporate map makers, so our products came out a little cheaper and had more of a hand-made look to them. What Grimoire seems to be (being authored by a former Sir-Tech employee) is a similar product. (Which maps do I drive around with? Rand McNally and ADC).

I must say however that I’m impressed with what I see of Grimoire. Maybe I’m just showing my generation here, but the whole influx of this 3D rendering and lighting effects is lost on me. Not only do I try to focus more on the story (Zork…) but the blockiness of today’s 3D technologies just looks really ugly to me, in their over-reaching efforts to emulate real-life they’re actually just drawing attention to their artificiality. The maze hacking and plotlines (and graphics) of say Bard’s Tale III are much more my style than the newer stuff out there today. For example, here’s a shot of some of the villains in Grimoire:

Now I would rather look at a static image of this caliber than the animated 3D but blocky effects like in this shot of Wizardry 8:

Now don’t get me wrong, the overall scenery and look of Wizardry 8 looks two generations better, and a much greater joy to navigate. There just needs to be care that at whatever level of technology you’re using, the players don’t notice it as such (as in the graphic chunks above) but rather focus on imaging whatever they’re given on the screen as being real (a movies example is the integrated special effects that George Lucas uses – although he spends millions on them, it remains clear that his movies are not about effects, but the story).

The Grimoire screen shots remind me of my favorite games, such as Bard’s Tale, Dungeon Master, and Dungeon Hack, and I especially love the idea of being able to instantly return to any point you’re previously visited. So that’s my two cents. I’m looking foreword to Grimoire, (and Wizardry 8, and Wizards & Warriors), but I don’t focus too much on games before I can see and play them, though (like I don’t like seeing movie previews for movies that I plan on seeing), so I’m not quite into the level of detailed interest shown in the Wiz 8 forum here (no biggie, though).

- John

ps. And yes, there seems to be some personal issues with the maker of Grimoire, who is a former employee of Sir-Tech. As for all of that, I almost couldn’t care less. Wagner’s anti-semitic, but that doesn’t stop me from enjoying his compositions. Plus keep in mind, as the co-founder of Wizardry sates of the bankrupted company: “Regrettably, irreconcilable differences made it impossible to continue working with Sir-Tech Software, Inc., and the schism resulted in a lawsuit that continues to this day.” – Andrew Greenberg

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Llevram (5022 posts) Click to EMail Llevram Click to send private message to Llevram Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-20-00, 07:40 PM (Pacific)
1. "Sliding OT, into the ethical/moral quagmire"
Yes, some people do have issues. I for one won't buy this game. That is based solely on my impression of it's author from the over 2 years I have been following the Wizardry boards. I may be shooting myself in the foot and cheating myself out of a good game to play, but to me its a matter of principle.

When I first started posting the the VN promoting WizEdit, I was very concerned with my "public" image and it really irked me the kind of things he said in one breath, followed by 'be sure to buy my game' in the next.

To me, there is just as much reason to buy a product because of the brand/label it bears, as there is not to buy it.

And I agree with you on the graphics issues, I do prefer the more detailed look in graphics, but if you want 3D lighting and effects (which I do), you have to compromise (today). And as far as the game goes, hopefully the total package (gameplay, interface, story, replayability) will make it worthwhile, regardless of the graphics.

Tools for your Wizardry(r) toolkit

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DrSlop (297 posts) Click to EMail DrSlop Click to send private message to DrSlop Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Mar-21-00, 10:04 AM (Pacific)
2. "RE: Sliding OT, into the ethical/moral quagmire"
I don't know -- I love Wizardry 7, and if Grimoire can offer basically a W7 module, then it seems like it would be worth a few bucks... I probably wouldn't pay full game price for it, but since its going to be shareware, hopefully it will not cost too much -- but like said I really hate the whole 3rd person view that's kicked in since Diablo, and it seems that there are so few games in development that will use 1st person view that it would be a shame to dismiss any of them.

About his "politics," I guess that kind of thing just stopped offending me a long time ago -- I don't really have a position along the right-left spectrum either way -- each side seems to me to continually fall into the same fallacies... so I take it all as just a joke and really don't see it as an influence on what I choose to buy one way or the other.

Considering that I have limited resources for buying games, however, I doubt Grimoire will be a "buy the second it comes out" kind of thing... it just seems a little too redundant of Wizardry 7 and the other games that have obviously influenced it. The game I'm most looking forward to is Wizards and Warriors, which seems to have incorporated the best aspects of old school role playing, but with a good deal of the inventiveness and forward-thinking that we've come to expect from Bradley.

OE

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