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Zhoragh (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-13-06, 02:55 PM (Pacific)
"Just how DO you find the NPCs?"
And I don't mean the "Locate Person" spell. This is like the Epistemology of Wizardry 7. It only tells you what is vaguely useful but doesn't actually accomplish anything.

I'm trying to find Ratsputin. I've been using Locate Person to stay in his general area, but for two hours I've gotten nowhere. I remember much earlier in the game he's visited me when I was sleeping, so when he was in Old City I decided to sleep in the hallway where, in theory, he could not walk by me without encountering me.

Next thing I know, he's in New City. I'm walking around all over the place trying to find this idiot. Just how DO you find someone on a map with several hundred squares who is moving around and can pass right through yours?!? I've found him more times at random by travelling over the entire planet than I have found him in the location he supposedly is. He has the stupid legend map and I need it.

On another note, he doesn't like me (truces have always made a pleased, a reserved, an angered, then he leaves, I've never been able to make him like me),but this shouldn't stop me from at least being able to kill him.

How do you guys track the NPCs?

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Sphynx01 (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-17-06, 10:21 PM (Pacific)
1. "RE: Just how DO you find the NPCs?"
First, forget the whole 'truce' making thing, never works unless you're on an older version of the game. He'll be on your bad/meutral-side until you pass the Blindmeis test.

As for finding them, get some maps. They tend to track you down when you have a map or 2, get close and wait. Personally, if I -really- want to get to an NPC, I use Mad God's editor. It has a World Map and shows the exact coordinates of each person. Circling that coordinate area tends to work. As for sleeping, NPCs don't wake you up, they walk past you if you're asleep. Best you could have had happened is someone visited you, as you were waking up.

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Zhoragh (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-18-06, 06:45 PM (Pacific)
2. "RE: Just how DO you find the NPCs?"
As it turns out, the only three maps I *didn't* have were the Fools, Legend, and Star maps. I had every other single one. So I don't put much value at all on your "holding maps" suggestion because I was holding a ton of them, and in general nobody was visiting me.

Also, I'm on a Mac so editors aren't available to me, but on the side I disapprove of cheating in general so I wouldn't have bothered with that route anyways (I laugh at people who actually need to mass hide or have 6 profession changes throughout the game to beat the Beast of 1000 Eyes at level 35. So I got 5 characters stoned and lost a vitality point each. Big deal. Being able to win without being cheap is worth far more).


And well your sleeping part describes how he mysteriously went past me, but even then, I've been told that NPC's can walk through walls or what-not anyways? So it's theoretically possible at least that even if I patrolled up and down while awake he still could have passed me?

Regardless, in the end I finally ran into me. I first talked to Shritis who told me that Ratsputin was looking for me! (like hell he was, or he would have found me after two hours) About an hour after this I finally ran into him. What a pain.

And interesting - everyone always says that the Rattkin NPCs are the first to die, but in my game all the Umpani and Gorn NPCs were dead, a T'Rang was dead, and through Lore throughout the game I learned that Ratsputin was fighting both Jan'Ette and Brother Tshober numerous times (I'm talking at least 10-20 in various places) and apparently survived through everything. The only NPC I have never encountered is Mick the Pick. Meh, whatever, got what I needed, I'm happy, thanks for the help, though.

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Sphynx01 (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-20-06, 00:09 AM (Pacific)
3. "RE: Just how DO you find the NPCs?"
o.O

And I laugh at people too incompetent to use the system effectively... So?

Being able to win because you got lucky is no better/worse than winning because you have the skill to multi-level/hide.

When I give help, don't insult me because you're too stupid to maximize your game. There was no need to attempt to insult me. I can win without doing my methods, I do my methods because it's more difficult and more fun for me. I guarantee you don't have the patience to correctly mutli-class always at level 5 (never higher or lower). But prior to your weak attempts to insult me, I never would have laughed at you for your incompetence, so shut it.

People play different, enjoy your way and don't give me ##### for enjoying my way.

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Marc (109 posts) Click to EMail Marc Click to send private message to Marc Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-20-06, 04:39 PM (Pacific)
4. "RE: Just how DO you find the NPCs?"
Chill.

Marc

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Zhoragh (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-20-06, 06:27 PM (Pacific)
5. "RE: Just how DO you find the NPCs?"
LOL! Your post was so ridiculous that I had to respond to it.


"Being able to win because you got lucky is no better/worse than winning because you have the skill to multi-level/hide."

It doesn't take skill to multi-level/hide. Especially hiding. The extent of skill involved is hitting the "hide" button and manipulating the game into your favor.


"When I give help, don't insult me because you're too stupid to maximize your game."

First off, my declaration was that I wasn't a cheater and my laugh was general, not directly aimed at you. I've already tried the "maximizing the game" line before, it's so painfully easy that if there were an "impossible" setting above "hard" level there still wouldn't be a challenge.


"I do my methods because it's more difficult and more fun for me."

Last I remember, hide/mass multi-class strats made the game far far far far far easier. And they're not difficult to do (it depends if you want to take the whole cheapness aspect one step further to "ensure" that you get +1 to every attribute point at every level by reloading 100 times to "maximize" the power of multi-classing). Even without reloading, multi-classing comes along just fine. So I can only conclude then that you find the game difficult, and this doesn't make sense because mass hide/multi-classing inherently makes the game easier. So you're either contradicting yourself or are a player so horrible that you can't even do well with hide/multiclass.


"I guarantee you don't have the patience to correctly mutli-class always at level 5 (never higher or lower)."

Already done it, and interestingly enough not multi-classing is more of a challenge (obviously), because God-Mode hasn't been initiated. I may as well type Power Overwhelming in a single-player StarCraft game and "get the enjoyment" if I want to do it your way.


"I never would have laughed at you for your incompetence, so shut it."

Yeah, based on what evidence? The NPC's have always previously given me exactly what I wanted, I've always gotten the legend map, and after 6-7 games this is the first time I've *ever* actually ran into trouble with a certain aspect of the game because I just plain never saw it before and didn't know how to deal with it. Random chance was in my favor until now.


"People play different, enjoy your way and don't give me ##### for enjoying my way."

No argument here. Doesn't change the fact that mass hide/multi-class is an accomplishment of dissatisfaction of dice-rolling until you get what you want so you can proceed through a game where you essentially don't do anything because you don't need to, because nothing's a challenge. It's about as pointless as playing the crush the paper game. See this paper? I slap my hand on it. I win! I slap my hand on it. I win again!

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Marc (109 posts) Click to EMail Marc Click to send private message to Marc Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-20-06, 08:33 PM (Pacific)
7. "Pulls out wand...."
..starts incantation wondering if those involved have their heater shields and asbestos underwear ready...

Marc

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nomad (43 posts) Click to EMail nomad Click to send private message to nomad Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-20-06, 06:42 PM (Pacific)
6. "RE: Just how DO you find the NPCs?"
I would echo Marc to chill on this.

As one who has completed the game both ways I can say that I completly enjoyed the game no matter how I played it.

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Llevram (5413 posts) Click to EMail Llevram Click to send private message to Llevram Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-20-06, 08:56 PM (Pacific)
8. "Agreed "
The "you have to play the game my way to be right and enjoy it" police are not welcome here

For advice on speaking (or rather arguing): http://www.quotegarden.com/speaking.html

Oddly enough, most of the advice is against it.


Tools for Wizardry(r) 7

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Scary (16 posts) Click to EMail Scary Click to send private message to Scary Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-21-06, 12:46 PM (Pacific)
9. "RE: Agreed "
Okay, chilling is in order.

That being said, I too found Z's post #2 patronizing (and naive in its patronizing) and offensive.

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ShadowCrust (0 posts) Click to EMail ShadowCrust Click to send private message to ShadowCrust Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Sep-21-06, 02:02 PM (Pacific)
10. "me too"
Ya, chill out and shiver as I recite the almost forgotten heroic adventures of my lone dwarven thief. Took him hours to spoon the Beasts to death. Imagine the amount of stamina required to devour so much jelly.

Mmh, raspberry jelly... need to draw a map to the kitchen.

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