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WizardryFanatik (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-02-03, 10:22 AM (Pacific)
"Pickpocket and Strats"
i was just wondering what items you can get from who and what ppl's strats where. I've got lvl 14 f/mage, lvl 13 f/bish, lvl 13 elf/bish and a lvl 13 f/ninja. I killed the don with a death bomb, and so far i've messed around but can't seem to do anything except start working for either t'rang or umpani. I've got'n Ebony Heaume, Eagle Eye, CoC, 2 Raven's Bills, mantis gloves (what happened to the boots?? : D), blunderbuss, dragon kite, staff of doom, and Diamond Eyes. And i have a problem with my relations (check other post) and I was just wondering what to do now and the best anyone has done so fast in the game. (compare party strats too)

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Red Drake (0 posts) Click to EMail Red%20Drake Click to send private message to Red%20Drake Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-02-03, 03:48 PM (Pacific)
1. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
You can pickpocket Mantis Boots off Antone. Also some nice items to get are the Amulets of Healing; Myles, Anna and Crock have one you can pickpocket.

Ultimately, if you want to do all T'Rang and Umpani missions you must go to Bayjin. Bayjin is also an area you must visit if you are hostile with the umpani or if you haven't gotten the special UTU training yet. (which, in your case, is true because you can't finish the Mook mission for the Umpani because you've killed the furry trees). I suggest you level up some before going to Bayjin, there's some nasty stuff up there. Mostly you can go to the mountain wilderness and level up some, and do the retro dungeon there as well. If you're level 16-18, it would be a good idea to go to Rapax Rift and become templars, because you can then safely get to the best vendor in the game, Antone's brother Ferro. His custom weapons are nice, and he sells all level 5 spellbooks too.

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WizardryFanatik (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-02-03, 04:24 PM (Pacific)
2. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
hey, yea i just went ahead and loaded a previous game before i killed the mooks. i'm at bayjin now, my party of 2 lvl 15 bishp, a lvl 16 mage, and a lvl 15 f/n just killed nessie, and found nothing good in davy's locker : \ So now I'll just search the island. but one thing, how do you become templars? I went to the rift when i was lvl 14 and i went as far left as i could go, and talked to rafe, then i went as far right as i could go, and killed some samurai and priests but it seemed every entrance/exist was blocked. Also, i've pickpocketed anotone a lot, and it keeps saying he has nothing left. In previous games i've gottn both mantis items from him but i'm not sure if i still can this game. Lol, one more thing, for bishops, what effects which spells they learn? b/c for the past 2-3 levels it seems like none of the killer spells have become avaible (wizardy = 60-80, fire and cold mag = low 90s)

i've played 8 a lot but this is about as far as i've ever gotten so the aspects of the game i'm in right now are new terrain, thnx.

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WizardryFanatik (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-02-03, 07:47 PM (Pacific)
3. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
I was wondering, would it be a plausible strat, you think, to make a ninja that wore the assasins cap and used the highest kill % weapons (the best i can think of is stiletto). Thats 100 + 20 profession bonus + 20 cap bonus + is it 10% kill? seems like it might be pretty good. I was just wondering what maybe the best combinations of armor-profession-race would be. Say for example figher/tank or regenerating sp/hp/stamina. : D
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WizardryFanatik (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-02-03, 07:48 PM (Pacific)
4. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
er with the crit stike strat, you'd have very high stealth, speed, and i guess strength for penitration. The idea just being, attack a lot, instant death a lot, and evade.
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Red Drake (0 posts) Click to EMail Red%20Drake Click to send private message to Red%20Drake Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-03-03, 03:17 AM (Pacific)
5. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-03 AT 03:45 AM (Pacific)

LAST EDITED ON Oct-03-03 AT 03:19 AM (Pacific)

in the rapax rift, when you take a right from the entrance, and follow the path, you'll eventually come across a room with some rapax prisoners. To the left of that is a double bridge with some initiates on them. When you have crossed the bridge, look at the railing to your left. You'll see that you can slide down. When you do that, you'll get attacked by some rapax. At the far end to the right you can get into a hallway. This is the one where you see the rafters. You can make them collapse so you can get further in the rift.

As for the spells, did you only train the bishop in wizardry? then the effect spells would be sleep, terror, freeze flesh (perhaps freeze all, don't know for sure) and web. If you train the bishop in psionics, you can get the insanity spell, which works wonders

For the race/class combo, the CoC is a good example for the faerie ninja. Also, the bard has some class specific stuff which helps her a lot, such as the Caliban Cuirass. The other race specific weapon is the Giant's Sword, you can get this when you kill a Death Lord or a certain guardian in the Sea Caves. It is an extended range 2-handed sword with a high KO %. Only a Mook can wield this weapon, and must be Fighter, Lord, Valkyrie or a Ranger. For non-ninja faeries the faerie cap is nice, which is a rare drop from high level sprites. Also Antone's custom armor piece the Zynaryx plate is very nice for the faerie. In the Rapax Castle you'll find some more nice faerie-only armor. Gadgeteers can wear the Tinker's Carryall Bracers. You can pickpocket one from Myles, or buy some from Bela. Each give +20 strength, so if you ever intend to use a gadgeteer in your party there is no real use to raise his strength above 60; if you wear two of these this will boost your strength to 100. Power strike is not necessary for the gadgeteer anyways, because his real power lies in his gadgets and his omnigun at higher levels, which can ultimately use ANY type of ammo and cause ANY type of ailment.
Besides that, there is a possibility you can get a claw (don't know the exact name) from a flying serpent type creature, this can only be used by lizardmen and dracons i believe, and has a high poison %. Also boomerang shurikens are nice to have if you have a non-CoC wielder. There are also nice other things to find for a secondary weapon for the faerie ninja, such as sprite's daggers which give a stamina regen among other things.
Also be sure to check out the waterfall in the mountain wilderness; some nice stuff is there. If you explore each area thoroughly, you can find some nice things, such a second Diamond Eyes (if you've pickpocketed one from the Trynnie Shaman before). If you visit the Wilderness Clearing before it becomes the Rapax Away Camp, you can get a Robes of Enchant both Upper and Lower from the cave. Be careful, it's guarded by a Gazer.

For the entire pickpocket list, check this link:
http://www.geocities.com/shau185/npclist.txt

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WizardryFanatik (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-03-03, 06:52 AM (Pacific)
6. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
yea i went wizardry... I've killed the keeper, killed the death knight in the hobbit hole, got diamond eyes and killed the iniates and never saw the break on the bridge. i found a tinker's in davy's locker. but now i'm working on dealing with marten. i don't have the helm of serenity nor do i know how to get it but i am at marten and have tried killing him to get the helm, which didn't prove too hard at all.
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Red Drake (0 posts) Click to EMail Red%20Drake Click to send private message to Red%20Drake Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-03-03, 07:23 AM (Pacific)
7. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
If you only did wizardry, you could have gone for a mage instead of a bishop. Mages level up faster than bishops and get some realm points at character creation. For the helm, check the other post. Killing marten is easy, but if you want some more EXP, get the helm first, answer his questions and he gives you the DD + 400K EXP... then in conversation mode, just click 'attack' and you can kill him
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Oct-04-03, 08:28 AM (Pacific)
8. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
ok so i've been thinking about the best solo character and so i now have some questions and ideas. The general goal is to have an accurate and fast figher that goes for instant kills rather than lots of damage (light sword would do both however) What if you start out as a level one ninja and train your stealth to 100. Then i'd be curious as to how fast you could train your critical strike kill. it seems that for it to go up you have to actually kill enemies and that of course levels you up which isn't what i want to do. it also seems crit strik goes up more often when you're a ninja since its the special. So if theres a way to get that skill high at low levels, continue to do so w/ the ninja. Then i would switch to ranger, practice shooting at things really far away so that your bow + ranged skills increase and you don't kill anything so you don't level up or at least as fast. (ideally we're talking shooting at seekers probably, and/or healing them if you can) then after those skills (stealth, critical strike, ranged combat, and bow) are maxed, go bishop as soon as possible. Waste tons of time casting non-combat spells and eventually you'll get all your realms up to 100. Then level up with the bishop, investing in ** senses ** first and foremost, then also going for speed, dex, vit, str, int, pie in that order. Also, when leveling up with the bishop, you MUST NOT put picks into low level spells. Ideally, if you could ge to arnika before you could trun bishop, you'll max out pickpocket as well and then you can steal every spell you'll ever need. So then i would suggest just leveling in arnika, the safest place to do so at low levels, and then going to other good leveling places, tryton or possibly w/ REX, whatever works really. The idea is to learn every spell. I think you have to be a really high level bishop to do this, maybe some1 can help me hear but i'm guessing lvl 22-24 to know all spells (assuming maxed realms) ok so after that its up to you what to do. I would say either go ranger, that way you'll have ranged criticals plus high close combat criticals, with the minor backup of everyspell in the game. OR you could go ninja. This provides the profession bonus of 25 to critical strike therefore increasing instand kill. OR you could use a samurai and that way lightning strike offers the occasional 6x hits with is bascially, 6 more chances for an instant kill. And finally, there might be some strategy to going rogue and getting backstab and lots of attacks with daggers (stiletto) and going for kill.

-i would really like comments and suggestions

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wizardryfanatik (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-04-03, 08:34 AM (Pacific)
9. "RE: Pickpocket and Strats"
oh yea, i was also wondering if anyone had taken the time to calculate what the highest a stat could ever get w/ race, profession, and item combinations. For example, critical strike for a ninja would be 100 + 25 prof + 20 sassin's cap = 145. For a bard, it should be pretty ridculous, those braces can give 20 str a piece not to mention all those other things like oberon's greaves and prospero's cloak.
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Red Drake (0 posts) Click to EMail Red%20Drake Click to send private message to Red%20Drake Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-04-03, 09:48 AM (Pacific)
10. "I Think..."
LAST EDITED ON Oct-04-03 AT 09:57 AM (Pacific)

That the max stat is 125. So, 100 by leveling, and another 25 by item mods.

The same for skills; 125 is meant for the primary skill %. So a 100 in, say, Sword, is in reality 125 for the samurai, as this is his primary skill.

Regarding your solo strategy, you may consider class-changing lastly to a Ranger... with your maxed out ranged combat and bow skills, you can pick your enemies off at range; as your stealth is maxed out, you'll rarely get attacked in melee. If your char happens to be a Mook, you can also use the Giant's sword for those close encounters. Plus the fact that you can wear the Infinity Helm, Chain +1 both upper and lower, Forest cape, Amulet of Nebdar and another ring/amulet of choice, you will become a really tough-to-hit character who snipes at enemies from a distance, KO-ing those who get to close with also a good chance of instant kill because you built that up. Make it a female and you can also wear another stamina regen item; this is very useful wielding a sword like the Giant's Sword. But if you have a solo faerie, I suggest the ninja for the CoC.

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Oct-04-03, 10:00 AM (Pacific)
11. "RE: I Think..."
You are absolutely correct. 125 is the maximum.
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wizardryfanatik (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-04-03, 01:14 PM (Pacific)
12. "RE: I Think..."
I was also wondering about other things, like, say you went ninja on your firstlevel, pumped stealth, and then went figher all the way, pumping vitality first and foremost, how much HP are we looking at and how much does AC effect damage taken. B/c lets think about it, a fighter already had high hp, pumping vitality increases this, stealth adds 10 AC, iron skin, i believe, adds 10 AC, and then after the best heavy armor and accessories, you're looking at another 20+ ish, at least for upper body, giving a total of about 40 AC. So what exactly does that mean? B/c if you pumped piety to get iron will as well, going solo with a figher, you'd have a diesel and endurant tank that could resist magic and would have just how much physical damage prevention??

also, is there an actual strategy that could revolve around regen? I know some items provide regen to all stamina, hp, and magic, and so if you have 2 accesories, a cape, and whatever else items apply, could you actually have a character, say a tank like i just talked about, that has some much HP and just a high regen that he gains life almost as fast as he loses it? I don't know if theres a max regen or how much regen actually does some i'm just shooting in the dark here, but i would like to know. : D

also, i still think the best strategy would be making a solo character that is multi-professions, as to max out all different skills and end up, say a bard, who can wear equipment that easily make up for low primary stats, i.e. strength and intelligence.

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Red Drake (0 posts) Click to EMail Red%20Drake Click to send private message to Red%20Drake Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-04-03, 03:12 PM (Pacific)
13. "RE: I Think..."
You could also start as a fighter, and when you can gain a level class-change to a rogue. Doing this will give you an edge because the fighter has very good starting equipment, including a shield. If you train your stealth and also wear a shield, both skills will go up (shield and stealth). Iron skin gives you a damage resist % and 1 AC per 10 skill points. To train this, you actually have to get hit by creatures (as this 'hardens' your skin, so to speak). You could go for the fighter all the way, because of the bezerk option and the stamina regen.
The HP regen isn't actually really useful in combat situations, even when you're wearing 2 amulets of healing. But it does regenerate fast enough when you are just walking around.
The fighter can be a good choice to solo, but the downside is that you cannot use spell to buff you up, and you also can't open locks and disarm traps safely. If you're going for a fighter, be sure to train him/her in artifacts, throwing etc. to use bombs, scrolls, wands and other magical items. I think that multi-classing is a good idea, but don't be doing this too often too soon; my solo faerie ninja/bishop is level 5/6 respectively, and I continually sneak around, choosing my fights at my own time; even with high stealth. I still have that faerie stick and shillelah (not very good weapons) and am camping in Sadok's shop. It is a difficult task to solo, but definately doable with any character/profession combo.
One of my solo trips ended abruptly when I went with my solo female mook ranger in the monastery; 4 undead heads popped up around the corner and killed me quick with their spells. When you get paralyzed/incapacitated when going solo, you're as good as dead when surrounded.
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WizardryFanatik (Guest) (0 posts) Click to check IP address of the poster
Oct-04-03, 07:26 PM (Pacific)
14. "RE: I Think..."
i don't like w8's profession system. w7's was better in respect that each profession had low -> high exp gains, whereas w8 its always higher and higher reqs to gain levels. But 7 reset your primary stats when switching professions too : \ I think that since w8 makes them build on the other's experience, you should have overlapping benefits from professions. guess it doesnt matter since there prolly isnt gonna be a 9. but i remember back in 7, i would go to the umpani barracks, attack the guards that spawn when you walk in front of a door, and just siwtch professions and @ 100k exp a battle, i'd go from level 1 to 7. thus my hp and spellpoints just kept going up, it was grand fun. : D
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