"Filming Lord of the Rings"

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Llevram (5022 posts) Mar-11-00, 09:43 PM (Pacific) "Filming Lord of the Rings" theonering.net is a site revolving around Tolkien stuff. They have a bit of news about the upcoming film version of Lord of the rings. Most of their current info was about who is cast as what character. It reminded me of a thread we had a long while back about who we would like to see cast in a Wiz 7 movie, if there ever was one Tools for your Wizardry(r) toolkit   Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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RE: Filming Lord of the Rings, Lady Adrexia, 09:45 AM, Mar-12-00, (1) RE: Filming Lord of the Rings, DrSlop, 01:59 PM, Mar-12-00, (2) RE: Filming Lord of the Rings, elrond, 09:12 PM, Mar-13-00, (3) RE: Filming Lord of the Rings, DrSlop, 06:02 PM, Mar-14-00, (4) RE: Filming Lord of the Rings, Nebari -ur, 09:36 PM, Mar-14-00, (5) Book vs. Film ... depends on the order you encount..., Llevram, 10:05 PM, Mar-14-00, (6) RE: Book vs. Film ... depends on the order you enc..., Stu, 06:49 PM, Mar-18-00, (7) RE: Book vs. Film ... depends on the order you enc..., elrond, 08:02 PM, Mar-20-00, (8) "Arwen warrior princess" , rbrown, 03:36 PM, Mar-24-00, (9) Actually, about 6 hours..., DrSlop, 01:29 PM, Mar-25-00, (10)

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Lady Adrexia (153 posts) Mar-12-00, 09:45 AM (Pacific) 1. "RE: Filming Lord of the Rings" COOL BEANS! Finally a movie version of one of my favorite series of books. I certainly hope that they do better than the cartoon version. It was good, but they tried to cram all of the books into one movie. I will check out the site later on today. I am curious to see who is playing who or what. I think that a movie version off of a Wizardry game wouldn't be that bad either, but we need to add all the bad dudes in. Like Werdna and his ilk... hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I can dream, can't I???   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DrSlop (297 posts) Mar-12-00, 01:59 PM (Pacific) 2. "RE: Filming Lord of the Rings" Yes -- lets hope we'll finally be able to get the bad taste of the Ranklin-Bass productions out of our mouths... I have high hopes since not only is it being directed by one of the best directors working today (Peter Jackson), but he seems to be very aware of a lot of fan concerns. A long, long time ago PJ gave a very lengthy interview on one of his fan-sites that detailed his thoughts about making the films... One of the things I liked most is that he said that for him LoTR is really Sam's story, and to a certain extent, that's how I've always looked at it too (but only insofar as Sam's story reflects and plays off of the story of the elves in Middle Earth, which I feel is where the primary theme of LoTR, the loss of innocence in the change from the fairy-tale to the epic, is seen). Anyway, I haven't been following the production too closely lately -- I think he's shooting all 3 films at once in NZ right now. I think there has been a good deal of cast changes recently, which seems strange since I thought they were pretty much done shooting the first film already, but maybe the characters being shifted are ones that only come in later in the story. In some ways, despite being, on the surface, an "adventure story," I've always considered LoTR do be unfilmable. Tolkien's language evokes an almost historical depth to the world, and even at the most action-oriented sequences, the language has a great deal of nostalgia and contemplativeness to it -- a kind of depth that seems untranslatable to the screen. I'm worried that all that will be left is the plot, without the (sometimes very subtle) shifts of depth and character that mark tolkien's story. Epics always come off feeling forced and contrived in films. Still, we shall see, and I'm willing to give Jackson the benefit of the doubt. OE   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

elrond (83 posts) Mar-13-00, 09:12 PM (Pacific) 3. "RE: Filming Lord of the Rings" I dunno guys, I for one am going to cross my fingers. I've been following this production a little bit, and a bit worried...mainly can you say Arwen, warrior princess? Sounds like they're gonna make some changes that I for one will not be too happy with, mainly beefing up the romance with Arwen/Aragorn and having her running around and fighting in battles. I'll hope for the best, but am definitely going to expect the worst. It's one thing if they choose to cut certain things out, but it sounds like they're gonna be re-writing a bit of it to appeal more to the general public and such. I mean it wouldn't do to sign Liv Tyler for a 5 second part, now would it? I also hear she's going to be meeting the group before they get to Rivendell instead of Glorfindel.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DrSlop (297 posts) Mar-14-00, 06:02 PM (Pacific) 4. "RE: Filming Lord of the Rings" I read about the proposed expansion of Arwen's role as well... I see your concern about it -- every time there's a deviation from the book there's a danger that something will be thrown off balance -- but all in all I think that, if handled well, this could actually work. Arwen is obviously constantly on Aragorn's mind, in a sense you really can't understand Aragorn's character without her. Now, in a book you can put her "into the story" even when she's not physically there, mainly by describing Aragorn's thoughts or through internal monlogoues. In film, there's really no way to do this -- a character kind of has to be on the screen to have a presence. So, I think if done well, the emphasis on Arwen could be used to have her fulfill the role that she has in the book: as the "obstacle" against which Aragorn has to struggle to prove himself worthy of being king. I, too, am very worried about how this film will turn out -- but more from my general feeling that the book can't be translated to film rather than any specific thing. OE   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Nebari -ur (21 posts) Mar-14-00, 09:36 PM (Pacific) 5. "RE: Filming Lord of the Rings" I read that they were going to film it a while back and some of the comments changed my thoughts about this and that they just might pull it off. What you are telling me here is changing it back. I first read The Hobbit and LOTR almost 25 years ago and have reread it numerous times. I had never read anything like it before. I thought it would be the greatest movie and was way disappointed by Ralph Bashki and Rankin/Bass works. I then decided that intricate, subtle, or large books could not effectively be translated to film. Dune reinforced this. Condensing some things, compositing some characters, if done right does not bother me. It's almost a necessity when translating a novel to a movie. Totally changing a character and therefore the interaction between characters such as "Arwen warrior princess" makes me concerned about how this is going to turn out.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Llevram (5022 posts) Mar-14-00, 10:05 PM (Pacific) 6. "Book vs. Film ... depends on the order you encounter them" I share everyone's fears and anxiety about the pending flop this could be. I think as long as we see the film first, then read the book, we're all ok It was that way for me and Dune. I went to see it at the theaters w/a friend who knew the books, so he explained a lot of it to me while the movie was rolling. I still didn't understand much, but as far as a sci-fi movie goes, I thought it was the greatest. A few years later, another friend and I rented it and it came with a booklet briefly explaining just who was who and what was what. We were still left a bit confused. Later on, I got and read (and re-read) the entire series - loved them all. I still have a copy of the movie ... one of my favorites. Thinking back though, I know if I had encountered them in the other order, I would have been (at the very least) left flat by the movie. Dune is a great example of what DrSlop was talking about ... how it's easier and more a part of a book, to get you inside the head of the characters. Movies have a much harder time with that and I thought Dune did a better job than most. Another really good example of this kind of thing is The Princess Bride (another of my favorites). After seeing it many times, I came across the book. It tells the tale of being actually an abridged version of the longer more boring book - almost the "movie version" of the original story. It's very interesting reading for any that like the movie. Tools for your Wizardry(r) toolkit   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

Stu (22 posts) Mar-18-00, 06:49 PM (Pacific) 7. "RE: Book vs. Film ... depends on the order you encounter them" Well, being a New Zealander myself, I thought I might illuminate some things about the filming that may not have left this country. The cast are currently awaiting permission to move horses and heavy equipment into one of the North Island National parks for filming. I think filming has been going for a year now, and I think most of the Shire scenes have been finished (filmed outside Wellington somewhere I think.) I was thinking about auditioning as an extra but figured my chances were slim and I have an education to finish. Filming has been taking place all over the country so I guess you can expect lots of NZ on film . Our southern rainforests are fairly Tolkeinesque as are some of our mountain ranges and plains I understand that castles and other special 'features' will be digitally edited in to a large extent. There are about 1000 extras or so in filming and they will edit more in to make the battle scenes look truly awsome. They aren't playing modernisation tricks with the dialogue beyond whats necessary I believe. The key to watching the films (assuming they're well executed) will be not to expect too much. Go to LOTR and read the pages during the battle outside Minas Mithil when the riders of Rohan have just arrived and when it looks like the tide might turn Orcish reinforcements arrive upon Black Boats up the river. All seems lost until Aragorn unfurls his White Banner upon the foremost boat? Imagine that in a film. I'd pay my money just to see that bit. Anyway if Peter Jackson brings out the bits which translate best to film it will be well worth seing just veiw it as a chance to see some parts of the saga visually rather than the whole thing on tape that isn't possible. PS Tom Bombadil didn't make it to film.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

elrond (83 posts) Mar-20-00, 08:02 PM (Pacific) 8. "RE: Book vs. Film ... depends on the order you encounter them" I'd have to pretty much agree with what you said about Dune. One of my favorite books of all time. I did read the book before watching the movie however, and although the movie did not cover the whole book, for how could it expect to? I can't really name any glaring changes that the movie made to the book. Now it's possible that I just forgot details, if they changed anything, but on the whole I thought it was a fairly accurate, if abridged translation.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

rbrown (900 posts) Mar-24-00, 03:36 PM (Pacific) 9. ""Arwen warrior princess" " "Arwen warrior princess" Xena Warrior Princess Both being shot in New Zealand Maybe they are saving money on costumes and sets. On the book vrs movie issue, I read the Star Wars book after seeing the movie back in the 70's. The book was almost word-for-word transcribed from the movie. Took about as long to read as the movie took to watch. Now take a book that needs 12-24 hours to read (out loud) and squeeze it into a 2 hour movie. If LOTR isn't a miniseries on the timescale of "The 10th Kingdom" it will disappoint everyone. If they don't spend the 1st half hour explaining the book it was adapted from, it will disappoint 95% of America/Europe/Japan/Wherever because they have never read the book. If they don't have constant voice-over narration no one will understand it, but if they do everyone will fall asleep. Movies are a separate art form from books, like "pro wrestling" is not High School Wrestling.   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

DrSlop (297 posts) Mar-25-00, 01:29 PM (Pacific) 10. "Actually, about 6 hours..." Its going to be broken up into 3 movies, just as the novel was broken up into 3 books, and I believe that at least to some degree they being filmed all at once, though with a delay of about a year between releases (I think) -- Jackson has said that he's basically breaking it up according to the way the books are broken up, so that the first film will roughly cover the Fellowship of the Ring, etc. So he has a little more room to play with, though inevitably there will still be some cuts. OE   Remove | Alert Edit | Reply | Reply With Quote | Top

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