Hey, I'm trying a Ninja as a member of my party for the first time (fighter-turned thief-Dagger of Thieves, on the UWA), and I'm disappointed. Isn't the ninja supposed to be a super-human killing machine? Well, my ninja is level 12, has the following stats:
Strength 15
I.Q. 17
Piety 16
Vitality 14
Agility 17
Luck 16
And he sucks! He hits four times for at most 20 damage (though usually he hits once for 5, or misses entirely) while my lord hits 4 times for 50 damage with his Blade Cuisinart and my Samurai hits 3-4 times for 60-100 damage with his Muramasa Blade. Furthermore, my ninja is constantly getting hit and hardly ever decapitates anyone. It's a good thing for this game that I used the Dagger of Thieves, because I'd be pissed if I got my character 17's in every stat just to see him drop to this patheticness. Does the Ninja ever get good? And if so, at what level can I expect him to finally live up to his reputation?

Sorry about the ranting, but disappointment very quickly leads to anger for me.

• RE: Ninja seems kind of weak . . .,myrddin, 07:36 PM, Jul-31-07
  • RE: Ninja seems kind of weak . . .,Prospero, 05:24 PM, Aug-01-07
    • So, what weapons are in use ....,Llevram, 05:55 PM, Aug-01-07
• RE: Ninja seems kind of weak . . .,mad god, 01:01 AM, Aug-01-07
  • RE: Ninja seems kind of weak . . .,FatDude, 12:39 PM, Aug-16-08

LAST EDITED ON Jul-31-07 AT 07:37 PM (Pacific)

Always remember the Tleilaxu Epigram:
Here lies a toppled god
his fall was but a small one
we did but build his pedestal
a narrow and a tall one.

Though neither one of you have allayed my fears, that is certainly a cool Epigram. Where did you find it?

When you compare your sam and lord, to ninja's weaponry, are they equal?

The epigram is from Dune ...

Tools for Wizardry(r) 7

LAST EDITED ON Aug-01-07 AT 01:01 AM (Pacific)

Yes, comparing to my Lord and Samurai he is:
1. Kinda weak (deals less damage, and I cannot understand if he is better with or without a weapon?)
2. Has small amount of HP (60 vs ~100)
3. Constantly gets battered by monsters, though he has AC -4 (with equipped items).

He does occasionally 'decapitation' but not very often.

So, does anybody knows if:
1. Ninja is better w/o armor? He would have AC 4 instead of -4 in that case.
2. Ninja is better w/o weapon?

P.S. Samurai is my coolest combatant so far (of course he has Agility & Strength 18 and my Lord has Agility 14).

In the Mac version, the Ninja's AC continues dropping naturally even with items equipped - my Lvl. 22 Ninja has a natural AC of -2, and with items equipped it is -22 <1st class plate (breast plate +3), ring of movement, helm of evil, shield of evil, silver gloves>. Attacks - decapitation about 20-25% of the time (with or without), hit 4-5 times for @30 dmg. without items, hit 6-7 times for 70+ dmg. with the Blade Cuisinart.

I wonder if that might hold true on other platforms. Has anyone else tested it out?