You probably won't be able to pry iy from his dead or incapacitated hands. I tried this with Urq, who has a ring of protection. You can't take it from him, unless you give him another one. But then, once you have his, you can't take the second one you gave him.And even when dead, you can't take an RPC's personal items. Looks like you have to give Madras back his gun to get yours back.
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