You people are easily offended. A stupid twit posts how stupid the game is and you all jump up and down as if he were to be insulting you personally, like as if it's your life. Is it? Listen people, there is more to life than just one game. Ever seen the sunlight? Ever played a sport? Have you gone outside? Look people my point is, who cares what he says, its just a game. No need to get all ~!~Meshugga~!~ about it. And try and use a better term rather than trying to act smart.

• While either Marc or LLevram could say it better,Avatar (Guest), 04:48 AM, Jun-07-02
  • RE: While either Marc or LLevram could say it better,BlitzKrieg (Guest), 05:25 AM, Jun-07-02
    • RE: While either Marc or LLevram could say it better,duck, 05:36 AM, Jun-07-02
    • RE: While either Marc or LLevram could say it better,Avatar (Guest), 06:03 AM, Jun-07-02
• So if it is only a game,Llevram, 07:08 AM, Jun-07-02
  • RE: So if it is only a game,Avatar (Guest), 07:22 AM, Jun-07-02
    • But it isn't as entertaining! :-P (n/t),Lord Gram, 07:47 PM, Jun-07-02
• RE: -In correspondense to the other post *Wiz8 sucks*,Whatsup (Guest), 02:01 PM, Jun-08-02
  • RE: -In correspondense to the other post *Wiz8 sucks*,Sadaen, 11:33 PM, Jun-08-02
  • RE: -In correspondense to the other post *Wiz8 sucks*,BlitzKrieg (Guest), 07:01 AM, Jun-09-02
  • Life's no game!,Kuli, 10:03 AM, Jun-12-02
    • Game defined (definately off topic),Llevram, 08:28 PM, Jun-12-02
      • Okay I've had it (VERY O.T.),Sadaen, 00:49 AM, Jun-13-02
        • (Still OT) Don't forget intellectually,Llevram, 07:09 AM, Jun-13-02
          • (siill OT) and then there's philosophy,Avatar (Guest), 09:44 AM, Jun-13-02
            • RE: (siill OT) and then there's philosophy,Whastup (Guest), 11:15 AM, Jun-13-02
              • okay Ive really had it,Sadaen, 10:07 PM, Jun-13-02
                • RE: okay Ive really had it,Whatsup (Guest), 03:30 PM, Jun-14-02
                  • RE: okay Ive really had it,Sadaen, 08:52 PM, Jun-14-02
                    • We do.....,Marc, 10:03 PM, Jun-14-02

The "twit" as you named him engaged in flaming not once but several times. Had he engaged in crititism rather than attacking both the game AND the people who play it he would have been tolerated. One of the things that makes this board so pleasent as opposed to some "other" boards I could meantion is the no flaming policy along with the wealth of information found here. Difference of opinion. great, you think the game smells, fine, but just because someone does not like the game it does NOT give them either the privledge or the right to mindlessly attack the players of that game. That is why the "twit" was shot down and is not welocome. I don't know about you but if someone calls me a moron not once but several times for doing something I enjoy it tends to make me a little angry, that can lead to flame battles which is NOT what this board is for or about.

Point is? It is still a game, and you replied to it... and he must of been 'fLaMiNg' angry at you for it. So who is the twit now? Both of you. I do hope you manage to find out what I mean by this.

sigh, if it's just a game - how come you got so steamed up about it?

ts, have a nice day,
duck

PS: You might want to search the internet for excellent 'obligatory get a life posting'-templates.

Yes, it is but a game. In that you are absolutely correct. And yes, I replied, trying in my own way to get a rational for his opinion, which I respect even if I don't share it. Your name means lightning war but here there is nothing to fight over. If wanting to understand the reason behind something makes me a twit, then twit I am and shall ever be and yes I do have an understanding of what you mean by this. Your meaning is "What's the point." My answer is and always shall be "Understanding.".

... and we should not have responded, I guess you belong right there along with us in the "twit" category.

(Sorry Avatar, maybe Marc can do better )

Tools for Wizardry(r) 7

Nay Rick, I try reason, you use wit, of the two your way does better at getting the point across without excess verbiage

As per subject!

Lord Gram the Light

Here comes a philosophical comment saying that it is only a game. OK. Let's meet the fact it is just a game. But tell me other concepts like sports, work, studying or even social activities. Each of them is a game as well.

The point should have been not to kill ourselves while playing this great game by not eating appropriately or neglecting some activities like school, work or wife, children, you name it.

Life is a game. Everything is a game on the world. Sometimes you play your own game creation, sometimes you play the others'. Like a relationship, sometimes we play the game created by our girlfriend. Similarly, we play the game of 'work' in this social life -or civilization so called-, which is created by many people of different race, different color or geographical location.

The only difference between a serious game (like school) and this game (wizardry or any other computer game) is in the first one you dont like the game play (study), graphics (school environment), sound (lotsa orders or rules) and playability (zero). And if you make a mistake there is no reload.

Otherwise, every similar concept we know is a game that you either play in or watch others play.

Tell me to make the suitable arrangements in a daily routine to play my game and keep up living.

That's merely my point.

I think what he ws getting at was that although Wiz8 is a game, it is a bad one and we all suck for liking it and defending.
You've just wasted your time Lord Gram

Fanatics, what can I say. That point has definately been proven.

This may be slightly off-topic, but in my opinion life's definately no game. And "whatsup", you give the best points against your theory:

A game is something that only has minor consequences in the real life: when something goes wrong, you just reload or re-roll your dice. Even if you don't "cheat", a game is over in -whatever- two hours or so. Life lasts, well, your whole life. You can't rewind your life, a failed exam is failed and if your brother is murdered he stays dead, though the murderer is executioned. Maybe I could agree with you if you looked at a human's life on a larger scale, i.e. compared to the earth's lifecycle or so. From this point of view life indeed is as short and as irrelevant as a game. But for human beings tend to be quite self-centered, this point of view is quite far off to most.

Of course there are some similarities between life and games and some games may be very realistic (Sim City...), but those games always lack the seriousness of life: We all had fun flooding our beloved Sim-Cities and then reloaded, but look in the TV - we all know the pictures of natural disasters. Can this be compared in a serious way?

My encyclopedia describes a game as "something that you do for the enjoyment of itself". And though I must admit that life holds quite a few pleasurable moments, no one can deny that there are times that aren't nice, even make people take desparate measures. Only masochistic people would play such a game!

I think the attitude "life's a game" - while common and en vogue - is quite a dangerous one, because it makes people live their lifes in a carefree way. To me this means yielding to all temptations (and yes, I know the Oscar Wilde-quote), which is a bad thing, for it makes us unaware of the longterm consequences for ourselves (the girlfriend's annoying - dumb her, smoking causes cancer?), the society and future generations or the environment. I'm not a saint and plead guilty for some of the mentioned "crimes", but usually I'm definitaley not happy with this.

"Whatsup", I don't want to flame you, attack you personally or whatever, just state my disagreement.
And oh, excuse my clumsy english - it's been a long time that I had to write essays like this in school

http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=game

Depending on your definition, and how literally you want to take the saying "life's a game", I have to agree ... metaphoricaly speaking.

In each there are rules, consequences when you break them (if you get caught), and usually ways to bend them (especially by mututal agreement), and hopefully rewards for following them (usually that happpens more in the "game" than in "life") - side note: One of my favorite Murphy's Laws: No good deed goes unpunished ... do I beleive that ... no, but I sure see it a lot

And Kuli, I respect your opinion, but hope you really don't think someone will change there life because they hear "life's a game". Most people are who they are and it takes next to a miracle to change that (or to finally get past those teenage years ... no offense to the good teens out there, just having trouble with ours lately )

Tools for Wizardry(r) 7

Okay suppose life is a game. Whats the purpose of the word "game" if it isnt any different?
Who's right? You or them? Life shares similar goals to a game, but how can you become spiritually or physically fulfilled(not obscene) through a game? Gaming eventually may become something you so to be one or theother or both of these, but it isnt the whole thing.
Games are a part of life, not vice versa.
Or is it?
Who knows? In fact who cares? Let's enjoy this "thing" before we leave
thx for wasting ur tm,
Saddy

Maybe you should take up chess It can be very intellecually fulfulling ... and a real blow to your spirit (when you are playing like me lately). Life and games both take on only as much meaning as you put on them.

Life is not a game? Tell that to the raving maniacal fans of say , oh how about the Sacramento Kings (I am definately not in that group ... you would sooner see me rooting for a big time wrassler ) for the 5 minutes of fame they may have during a game.

Games are a huge part of life, in that they develop (or at least enforce) the whole concept of "us versus them". Look at "us", cemented together as a loyal group of fans, supporting and singing the praises of Wizardy (and laughing at them ... (pick a target) ... thus our "community".

Tools for Wizardry(r) 7

Life a game? (actually it is by Milton-Bradley) but the obscures the point). The question is not "is it?" but "how would you know it is not?". Can a charactor in a simulation know that that is what they are in? Without a way of stepping outside a'la THE MATRIX there is no way of actually telling so either way without discrenable proof it does not in the long run matter. Sooner or later we all find out (don't plan on coming back with the answer or believed if you do though.).

Another example of such movies is the 'eXistence' where they play this computer generated game in which they stand the consequences (like being killed in the game) but yet they are still not sure if they play the game or real life...

LAST EDITED ON Jun-14-02 AT 06:31 AM (Pacific) by Marc (admin)

Look this is really **** we are obscuring the point and all just sounding like old bastards round a table discussing whether life is a game and ive won this game by saying that however god one's argument is another will come along with something better and eventually we will become bitter enemies 'n' stuff becoz we are arguing over something we are wasting our time on.
Whats the point?

PS (But if we really want to get this somewhere you could just change the topic and we could just keep on burning)

Saddy

The point is:
You dont have to join in this brain-storming looking philosophical conversation...

This was all started when somebody told us to give up playing wizardry and to consider activities like sports, socializing, etc. And I wanted to point out that those activities may not look like a game yet they are no different from a game or a 'role' like you may have especially in a game such as wizardry.

lol i know when it started, and im suggesting that your "brain-storming" will lead you round in circles.
See?
i cant be stuffed saying anymore, but ill watch!

Sry about the profanities Marc i thought you had an automatic filter

But we can't account for every variation ( *,#,@,). IMO, substituting a symbol for one of the letters is just about the same as just spelling it out. All it does is bypass the filter.

Anyway, I enjoy the "Life the Universe and Everything" discussions, we just need to keepum' between the lines.

Thanks for understanding.

Marc