We're slated for Sept. 26 release. Visit http://www.heuristicpark.com for more info.

• Not to be overly presumptuous or anything, but ...,Llevram, 08:36 PM, Sep-13-00
  • Sell me!,Asrial, 01:53 AM, Sep-14-00
    • RE: Sell me!,Chris Appel -ur, 05:18 AM, Sep-14-00
      • RE: Sell me!,Asrial, 02:29 PM, Sep-14-00
    • W&W Listings at the Open Directory,analander, 06:12 AM, Sep-14-00
• RE: WIZARDS & WARRIORS GOES GOLD,DrSlop, 10:39 PM, Sep-13-00
• Rejoice!!!!,RONA, 06:41 AM, Sep-14-00
• 'So, where can I pre-order Wizards & Warriors?', you ask ...,Llevram, 12:53 PM, Sep-14-00
  • RE: 'So, where can I pre-order Wizards & Warriors?', you ask ...,elrond, 06:13 PM, Sep-15-00
    • September....a good month...,Marc, 09:23 PM, Sep-16-00
    • Sept birthdays,Llevram, 03:12 PM, Sep-17-00
      • Dec birthdays,ShadowCrust, 03:51 AM, Sep-18-00
        • Isn't that the Winter Oxymoron :),Llevram, 07:13 AM, Sep-18-00
          • The two best days of the year!,Willow, 12:33 PM, Sep-18-00
            • Ah, thanks, 'Solstice',Llevram, 01:06 PM, Sep-18-00
              • RE: Ah, thanks, 'Solstice',Asrial, 02:39 PM, Sep-18-00
                • The most difficult part of Astronomy ...,Llevram, 03:24 PM, Sep-18-00
                • RE: Ah, thanks, 'Solstice',DrSlop, 04:03 PM, Sep-18-00
                  • Not bad for a rusty latin :),Llevram, 04:44 PM, Sep-18-00
                    • RE: Not bad for a rusty latin :),DrSlop, 04:58 PM, Sep-18-00
                    • RE: Not bad for a rusty latin :),DrSlop, 09:00 AM, Sep-20-00
                  • RE: Ah, thanks, 'Solstice',mtbear, 00:38 AM, Sep-20-00
              • RE: Ah, thanks, 'Solstice',mtbear, 00:30 AM, Sep-20-00
          • almost bull's eye,ShadowCrust, 12:45 PM, Sep-18-00
          • RE: Isn't that the Winter Oxymoron :) Depends on whose oxymoron you gore.,mtbear, 11:37 PM, Sep-19-00
          • RE: Isn't that the Winter Oxymoron :) Depends on whose oxymoron you gore.,mtbear, 00:18 AM, Sep-20-00
            • I can't resist,ShadowCrust, 09:13 AM, Sep-20-00
            • RE: Isn't that the Winter Oxymoron :) Depends on whose oxymoron you gore.,Lady_Adrexia, 04:16 PM, Sep-25-00

Could you move the release date up 3 days, so I could buy it as a birthday present (for myself)

Seriously, this is great news for all of us waiting for this game. Congrats!

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Okay guys, the only thing I know about Wizards and Warriors is that it's from Bradley and is Wizardry-like.

Why should I buy it?

>Okay guys, the only thing I
>know about Wizards and Warriors
>is that it's from Bradley
>and is Wizardry-like.
>
>Why should I buy it?

Try visiting our web site (http://www.heuristicpark.com) and clicking on the game box in the upper left corner. That will get you a page with screen shots, game features, and links to previews of the game. I think that will give you most of the info on the game. If you have any specific questions after that, we also have a message board.

Thank you for the links everyone

It looks like I'm sold ;)

For more sites such as previews and reviews (all favourable so far) see:

http://dmoz.org/Games/Video_Games/Genres/RPGs/Wizards_and_Warriors/

- John
Prepare Yourself for the Ultimate in Fantasy Games

Congrats! -- can't wait to get my hands on it!

OE

Now we can wait for W8 longer ;)))

RONA

(Yes, this is a blatant ad for my own site, trying to put more money in my pocket ... read no further if you are offended by such posts)

I just talked to Chips and Bits and their price of $39.95 is still good. How that compares to other online discount retailers, I don't know - I haven't checked.

The sad knews is that is only for the "standard edition" and at this time they aren't carrying the collector's edition (See Heuritsic Park's site (under Archives) for more details on that).

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Wow, you're birthday is 23rd sept? So is mine Let's lobby for a change in release date.

...for birthdays.

Mine is the 24th.

Other than the famous ones that share this illustrious day (like Bruce Springstein), I had never met anyone that shared the first day of Libra and Autumn Equinox with me. Then I met a girl who was telling me that her and her Mom had the same B-day - Sept 23rd. When I told her "Hey, that's mine too" of course she didn't believe me, probably thought (not far off the mark) I was just trying to "pick her up"

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Joining the chorus, mine is the first day of Winter Equinox. Actually, the shortest day of the year, so it's bedtime very early

Equinox = "equal night" (Latin, I think), which pretty much excludes the first day of winter, since it is the shortest day and the longest night. The equinoxes (or is the plural equinoxii ) are in Sept and March (Fall and Spring).

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Ah, my two most favorite days of the year: Summer Solstice and Winter Solstice! Maybe W8 will make the Winter Solstice deadline...?

I thought there was a special word for that day as well, but could not remember it for the life of me. So, what is the translation/etymology (if that is the right term or spelling) of that one?

I forget why I knew equinox' meaning ... 'Sol' obviously = sun, but 'stice' = ...?

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Equinox stands for "equal distance" pretty much, and is where the sun sets 12 hours after it rises (give or take a few minutes given solar days compared to siderial days).

Summer Solstice is the longest day of the year and deals with the sun being the farthest north in the sky (yes, the sun moves north and south and without consulting my Astronomy notes, it's due to either the axial tilt of Earth or how the Earth's orbit is elliptical OR how the Earth isn't exactly in a flat plane of orbit) and thus it takes longer for it to set because of it's arc.

Winter Solstice is basically, the exact opposite.

(for me, anyway)
... was accepting the fact that we (in the Norther hemisphere) are closer to the Sun in the Winter, when it is colder. And the reason that we get more (direct) heat (and the longer days) was due to the fact that we are tilted towards the Sun during the Summer (and away during Winter).

This still doesn't tell me what "stice" means

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Equinox comes from the latin aequinoctium. No(actually probably "noctis" if it were to stands alone as a word) is the latin word for night -- "equi" means something like "parity" (a little different from "equal" in the latin, but "equi-" would be the more exact "translation") -- thus Llevram's translation was essentialy correct, "night that has the same value."

Solstice is a little more complicated -- and I'm half guessing about the etymology, but I believe that it derives from the Latin sol-stitium, which would make it sun+still (more or less --"stitium" means something like a block or a stopper). Something like the moment where the sun is "still," or at its highest/lowest point (since, particularly in ancient philosophy, movement was always thought to occur "between" priviledged points of stillness -- so the sun was thought to be moving between two points, rather than being constantly in motion).

Well, anyway, there's some guess work involved in what I just said, but its the best guess I can make with my somewhat rusty latin.

OE

(per my 30+ yr old Webster's Dictionary)
Solstice from the latin solstitium - sol, the Sun and sto, to stand. The time of the year that the sun is at it's greatest (or least) distance north or south from the equator. So the point when the sun stands still and then turns back. Good call, good Dr.

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Yeah, I studied latin pretty intensively through high-school and the first few years of my undergrad, and haven't done much work with it since, but I guess I still managed to retain some of it...

OE

>(per my 30+ yr old Webster's
>Dictionary)

Hey -- using a dictionary! That's cheating!

OE

Rusty or not it was very informative and I thank you. Most all of my latin is 'medical latin' which has about as many greek prefix/suffix's tossed in.

m.t.bear, who's latin is so rusty he needs a tetanus shot just to conjugate Amo, amas, amat... and... the rest of them there.

"All that we can name
is but a Game within a Game".
m.t.bear, torn from the
clammy grasp of e.a.poe

'Sol' obviously =
>sun, but 'stice' = ...?

Not sure the word can be broken up that way. 'Solstice' is a point in the sky... compare with the word 'vertice' which is a point/corner on a square or cube. All these mathy-type words cause a fuss.

m.t.bear,
who hoped he had made his vertice until he got to thinking about polstice and chicken innards...

"All that we can name
is but a Game within a Game".
m.t.bear, torn from the
clammy grasp of e.a.poe

Well, I won't write posts anymore before asking the dictionary first... now I did, it's the Winter Solstice in English (never heard that before, so I thought equinox would be a good guess )
As for the missing recognition, it's Äquinoktium or Tagundnachtgleiche in German and aequinoctium in Latin and according to my little knowledge that's left your translation is quite right... but what do I know

"All that we can name
is but a Game within a Game".
m.t.bear, torn from the
clammy grasp of e.a.poe

Lemme see... we have the Vernal Equinox Mar. 20 aka Alban Eilar, Iduna, Egyptian Day (?), and the Goddess month of Columbina starts.

Summer Solstice June 21 aka Midsummers Night (for dreaming), Litha, Alban Hefin, All Heras, and the Islamic New Year.

Autumnal Equinox Sep. 23 aka Mabon, Alban Elfed, Winter Finding, Carpo, Carman, and Egyptian Day (? again?).

Winter Solstice Dec. 21 aka Yule, Midwinters Night, Alban Arthuan, and what no Egyptians?

Solstice days are longest or shortest, depending on your hemisphere (boreal or austral).

Sun is at highest or lowest point relative to the HORIZON (and, of course, the equator but the HORIZON is something you can lay yer eyes on while that equator line is awful hard to find, especially when yer on the bow of a pitching ship trying to spot it with two rolls of toilet paper for binoculars and the Cap'n is at All Ahead Full and the shellbacks are giving you grief for ... never mind).

Equinox days are when the sun is smack dab on the equator.

And as if you haven't had enough of this, Halcyon Days are the seven days before and seven days after the Winter Solstice.

Aestival Days surround the Summer Solstice; festivals (aestivals) celebrating the Goddess Aestas, Roman Goddess of summer and summer book reports.

m.t.bear,
who will put down his book, "The Pagan Book of Days" and go quietly with the nice men.

"All that we can name
is but a Game within a Game".
m.t.bear, torn from the
clammy grasp of e.a.poe

the tempation to explain Winter Solstice in German
In this wonderful language (what? who disagrees!?) this day is called "Wintersonnenwende", the meaning of which is the duration of sunlight reaches its shortest period on this day and changes (increases) on the following days until 21st June (Sommersonnenwende), where the days grow shorter again. So the 21st December is a joyous day, we'll get more and more sun! It's just better to start at the minimum and gain more than otherwise

Umm...the Vernal Equinox is also known as Ostara. Ahhh...Lady Adrexia is showing her Wiccan-ness.

But we digress...I thought that we were talking about Wizards and Warriors. I can give you all a Wicca 101 class on Sabbats and other stuff later. LOL